ALIEN INTERVIEW Part 4 pages 55-70

ALIEN INTERVIEW

Based On Personal Notes and Interview Transcriptions Provided by : Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy

Editing and Supplemental Footnotes by:
Lawrence R. Spencer ( Author of "The Oz Factors" ) pages 56-70

Chapter Seven
A Lesson In Ancient History
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE) 

"My instruction with Airl continued through the night until dawn of the next  morning. I must say that I was fascinated, skeptical, shocked, alarmed, dismayed  and disgruntled by the "lesson" I was getting from Airl. I could never have imagined any of what she was telling me -- not even in my wildest dreams and nightmares!
The next afternoon, after I had slept, showered and eaten, I was debriefed about my interview session the previous evening by members of the gallery who recorded my account of what Airl told me. There was a stenographer present for this session, as usual, to whom I debriefed after each interview, and there were also 6 or 7 men who asked for clarification of my statements. As always, there was constant pressure applied to me to use my influence with Airl to persuade her to answer specific questions prompted by members of the gallery. I did my best to reassure everyone that I would give my very best efforts to do so.

Nevertheless, only three things happened every day thereafter:

1) Airl resolutely refused to answer any questions that she sensed had been posed by or suggested to me by the gallery. 

2) Airl continued to "instruct" me in subject matter of her own choice.

3) Every evening after my interview with, or instruction from Airl, she would give me a new list of subject matter about which she wanted more information. Each evening I presented this list to the gallery. The next day Airl received a large stack of books, magazines, articles, and so forth. She would study all of these during the night while I slept. This pattern repeated every day during the remainder of the time I spent with her.

The subject matter of my next interview, or lesson, from Airl continued with a brief history of Earth, our solar system and nearby space, from the perspective of The Domain." 

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force 

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Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 25. 7. 1947, 1st Session

"Before you can understand the subject of history, you must first understand the subject of time. Time is simply an arbitrary measurement of the motion of objects through space.

Space is not linear. Space is determined by the point of view of an IS-BE when viewing an object. The distance between an IS-BE and the object being viewed is called "space".

Objects, or energy masses, in space do not necessarily move in a linear fashion. In this universe, objects tend to move randomly or in a curving or cyclical pattern, or as determined by agreed upon rules. 

History is not only a linear record of events, as many authors of Earth history books imply, because it is not a string that can be stretched out and marked like a measuring tool. History is a subjective observation of the movement of objects through space, recorded from the point of view of a survivor, rather than of those who succumbed. Events occur interactively and concurrently, just as the biological body has a heart that pumps blood, while the lungs provide oxygen to the cells, which reproduce, using energy from the sun and chemicals from plants, at the same time as the liver strains toxic wastes from the blood, and eliminates them through the bladder and the bowels. 

All of these interactions are concurrent and simultaneous. Although time runs consecutively, events do not happen in an independent, linear stream. In order to view and understand the history or reality of the past, one must view all events as part of an interactive whole. Time can also be sensed as a vibration which is uniform throughout the entire physical universe. 

Airl explained that IS-BEs have been around since before the beginning of the universe. The reason they are called "immortal", is because a "spirit" is not born and cannot die, but exists in a personally postulated perception of "is - will be". She was careful to explain 

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that every spirit is not the same. Each is completely unique in identity, power, awareness and ability.

The difference between an IS-BE like Airl and most of the IS-BEs inhabiting bodies on Earth, is that Airl can enter and depart from her "doll" at will. She can perceive at selective depths through matter. Airl and other officers of The Domain can communicate telepathically. Since an IS-BE is not a physical universe entity it has no location in space or time. An IS-BE is literally, "immaterial". They can span great distances of space instantly.

They can experience sensations, more intensely than a biological body, without the use of physical sensory mechanisms. An IS-BE can exclude pain from their perception. Airl can also remember her "identity", so to speak, all the way back into the dim mists of time, for trillions of years!

She says that the existing collection of suns in this immediate vicinity of the universe have been burning for the last 200 trillion years. The age of the physical universe is nearly infinitely old, but probably at least four quadrillion 68 (Footnote) years since its earliest beginnings.

Time is a difficult factor to measure as it depends on the subjective memory of IS-BEs and there has been no uniform record of events throughout the physical universe since it began. As on Earth, there are many different time measurement systems, defined by various cultures, which use cycles of motion, and points of origin to establish age and duration. 69 (Footnote)

The physical universe itself is formed from the convergence and amalgamation of many other individual universes 70 (Footnote) , each one of which were created by an IS-BE or group of IS-BEs. The collision of these illusory universes commingled and coalesced and were solidified to form a mutually created universe. Because it is agreed that energy and forms can be created, but not destroyed, 71 (Footnote) this creative process has continued to form an ever-expanding universe of nearly infinite physical proportions.

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Before the formation of the physical universe there was a vast period during which universes were not solid, but wholly illusionary. You might say that the universe was a universe of magical illusions which were made to appear and vanish at the will of the magician. In every case, the "magician" was one or more IS-BEs. Many IS-BEs on Earth can still recall vague images from that period. Tales of magic, sorcery and enchantment, fairy tales and mythology speak of such things, 72 (Footnote) although in very crude terms.

Each IS-BE entered into the physical universe when they lost their own, "home" universe. That is, when an IS-BE's "home" universe was overwhelmed by the physical
universe, or when the IS-BE joined with other IS-BEs to create or conquer the physical universe.

On Earth, the ability to determine when an IS-BE entered the physical universe is difficult for two reasons:
1) the memory of IS-BEs on Earth have been erased, and 2) IS-BEs arrival or invasion into the physical universe took place at different times, some 60 trillion years ago, and others only 3 trillion. Every once in a short while, a few million years, an area or planet will be taken over by another group of IS-BEs entering into the area.

Sometimes they will capture other IS-BEs as slaves. 73 (Footnote) They will be forced to inhabit bodies to perform menial, or manual work -- especially mining mineral ores on heavy-gravity planets, such as Earth.

Airl says that she has been a member of The Domain Expeditionary Force for more than 625 million years, when she became a pilot for a biological survey mission which included occasional visits to Earth. She can remember her entire career there, and for a very long time before that.

She told me that Earth scientists do not have an accurate measuring system to gauge the age of matter. They assume that because certain types of materials seem to deteriorate rather quickly, such as organic or carbon-based matter, that there is a deterioration of matter. It is not accurate to measure the age of stone, based on the measurement of the age of wood or bone. This is a fundamental error. Factually, matter does not

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deteriorate. It cannot be destroyed. Matter may be altered in form, but it is never truly destroyed.

The Domain has conducted a periodic survey of thegalaxies in this sector of the universe since it developed space travel technologies about 80 trillion years ago. A review of changes in the complexion of Earth reveal that mountain ranges rise and fall,continents change location, the poles of the planet shift, ice caps come and go, oceans appear anddisappear, rivers, valleys and canyons change. In allcases, the matter is the same. It is always the same sand. Every form and substance is made of the same basic material, which never deteriorates.

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE) 

("I cannot even begin to imagine how advanced a civilization may have become,technically, and mentally, after trillions of years! Just think of how advanced our own country has become, compared to only 150 years. Only a few generations ago transportation was on foot, horseback or boat, reading was done by candlelight, heating and cooking were done over a fireplace, and there wasn't any indoor plumbing!")

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)

"Airl described the abilities of an IS-BE officer of The Domain to me, and she demonstrated one to me when she contacted -- telepathically -- a communications officer of The Domain who is stationed in the asteroid belt. 74 (Footnote)

The asteroid belt is composed of thousands of broken up pieces of a planet that once existed between Mars and Jupiter. It serves as a good low-gravity jumping off  point for incoming space craft traveling toward the center of our galaxy.

She requested that this officer consult information stored in the "files" of The Domain, concerning the history of Earth. She asked the communications officer to "feed" this information to Airl. The communications officer immediately complied with the request. Based on the information stored in the files of The Domain, Airl was able to give me a brief overview or "history lesson". This is what Airl told me that The Domain had observed about the history of Earth:

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She told me that The Domain Expeditionary Force first entered into the Milky Way galaxy very recently -- only about 10,000 years ago. Their first action was to conquer the home planets of the "Old Empire" (this is not the official name, but a nick-name given to the conquered civilization by The Domain Forces) that served
as the seat of central government for this galaxy, and other adjoining regions of space. These planets are located in the star systems in the tail of the Big Dipper constellation. 75 (Footnote) She did not mention which stars, exactly.

About 1,500 years later The Domain began the installation bases for their own forces along the path of invasion which leads toward the center of this galaxy and beyond. About 8,200 years ago The Domain forces set up a base on Earth in the Himalaya Mountains near the border of modern Pakistan and Afghanistan. This was a base for a battalion of The Domain Expeditionary Force, which included about 3,000 members.

They set up a base under or inside the top of a mountain. The mountain top was drilled into and made hollow to create an area large enough to house the shipsand personnel of that force. An electronic illusion of the mountain top was then created to hide the base by projecting a false image from inside the mountain
against a "force screen". The ships could then enter and exit through the force screen, yet remain unseen by homo sapiens.

Shortly after they settled there the base was surprised by an attack from a remnant of the military forces of the "Old Empire". Unbeknownst to The Domain, a hidden, underground base on Mars, operated by the "Old Empire", had existed for a very long time. The Domain base was wiped out by a military attack from the Mars base and the IS-BEs of The Domain Expeditionary Force were captured.

You can imagine that The Domain was very upset about losing such a large force of officers and crew, so they sent other crews to Earth to look for them. Those crewswere also attacked. The captured IS-BEs from The Domain Forces were handled in the same fashion as all other IS-BEs who have been sent to Earth. They were each givenamnesia, had their memories replaced with false pictures

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and hypnotic commands and sent to Earth to inhabit biological bodies. They are still a part of the human population today.

After a very persistent and extensive investigation into the loss of their crews, The Domain discovered that "Old Empire" has been operating a very extensive, and very carefully hidden, base of operations in this part of the galaxy for millions of years. No one knows exactly how long. Eventually, the space craft of the "Old Empire" forces and The Domain engaged each other in open combat in the space of the solar system.

According to Airl, there was a running battle between the "Old Empire" forces and The Domain until about 1235 AD, when The Domain forces finally destroyed the last of the space craft of the "Old Empire" force in this area. The Domain Expeditionary Force lost many of its own ships in this area during that time also.

About 1,000 years later the "Old Empire" base was discovered by accident in the spring of 1914 AD. The discovery was made when the body of the Archduke of Austria, 76 (Footnote) was "taken over" by an officer of The Domain Expeditionary Force. This officer, who was stationed in the asteroid belt, was sent to Earth on a routine mission to gather reconnaissance.

The purpose of this "take over" was to use the body as a "disguise" through which to infiltrate human society in  order to gather information about current events on Earth. The officer, as an IS-BE, having greater power than the being inhabiting the body of the Archduke, simply "pushed" the being out and took over control of the body.

However, this officer did not realize how much the Hapsburgs were hated by feuding factions in the country, so he was caught off guard when the body of the Archduke was assassinated by a Bosnian student. The officer, or IS-BE, was suddenly "knocked out" of the body when it was shot by the assassin. Disoriented, the IS-BE inadvertently penetrated one of the "amnesia force screens" and was captured.

Eventually The Domain discovered that a wide area of space is monitored by an "electronic force field"

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77 (Footnote) which controls all of the IS-BEs in this end of the galaxy, including Earth. The electronic force screen is designed to detect IS-BEs and prevent them from leaving the area.

If any IS-BE attempts to penetrate the force screen, it "captures" them in a kind of "electronic net". The result is that the captured IS-BE is subjected to a very severe "brainwashing" treatment which erases the memory of the IS-BE. This process uses a tremendous electrical shock, just like Earth psychiatrists use "electric shock therapy" to erase the memory and personality of a "patient" and to make them more "cooperative". 78 (Footnote)

On Earth this "therapy" uses only a few hundred volts of electricity. However, the electrical voltage 79 (Footnote) used by the "Old Empire" operation against IS-BEs is on the order of magnitude of billions of volts! This tremendous shock completely wipes out all the memory of the IS-BE. The memory erasure is not just for one life or one body. It wipes out all of the accumulated experiences of a nearly infinite past, as well as the identity of the IS-BE!

The shock is intended to make it impossible for the IS-BE to remember who they are, where they came from, their knowledge or skills, their memory of the past, and ability to function as a spiritual entity. They are overwhelmed into becoming a mindless, robotic non-entity.

After the shock a series of post hypnotic suggestions 80 (Footnote) are used to install false memories, and a false time orientation in each IS-BE. This includes the command to "return" to the base after the body dies, so that the same kind of shock and hypnosis can be done again, and again, again -- forever. The hypnotic
command also tells the "patient" to forget to remember.

What The Domain learned from the experience of this officer is that the "Old Empire" has been using Earth as a "prison planet" for a very long time -- exactly how long is unknown -- perhaps millions of years. So, when the body of the IS-BE dies they depart from the body. They are detected by the "force screen", they are
captured and "ordered" by hypnotic command to "return

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to the light". The idea of "heaven" and the "afterlife" are part of the hypnotic suggestion -- a part of the
treachery that makes the whole mechanism work.

After the IS-BE has been shocked and hypnotized to erase the memory of the life just lived, the IS-BE is
immediately "commanded", hypnotically, to "report" back to Earth, as though they were on a secret mission, to inhabit a new body. Each IS-BE is told that they have a special purpose for being on Earth. But, of course
there is no purpose for being in a prison -- at least not for the prisoner.

Any undesirable IS-BEs who are sentenced to Earth were classified as "untouchable" 81 (Footnote) by the "Old Empire". This included anyone that the "Old Empire" judged to be criminals who are too vicious to be reformed or subdued, as well as other criminals such as sexual perverts, or beings unwilling to do any productive work.

An "untouchable" classification of IS-BEs also includes a wide variety of "political prisoners" 82 (Footnote). This includes IS-BEs who are considered to be noncompliant "free thinkers" or "revolutionaries" who make trouble for the governments of the various planets of the "Old Empire". Of course, anyone with a previous military record against the "Old Empire" is also shipped off to Earth.

A list of "untouchables" include artists, painters, singers, musicians, writers, actors, and performers of every kind. For this reason Earth has more artists per capita than any other planet in the "Old Empire".

"Untouchables" also include intellectuals, inventors and geniuses in almost every field. Since everything the "Old Empire" considers valuable has long since been invented or created over the last few trillion years, they have no further use for such beings. This includes skilled managers also, which are not needed in a society of obedient, robotic citizens.

Anyone who is not willing or able to submit to mindless economic, political and religious servitude as a tax-paying worker in the class system of the "Old Empire" are "untouchable" and sentenced to receive memory wipe-out and permanent imprisonment on Earth.

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The net result is that an IS-BE is unable to escape because they can't remember who they are, where they came from, where they are. They have been hypnotized to think they are someone, something, sometime, and somewhere other than where they really are.

The Domain officer who was "assassinated" while in the body of Archduke of Austria was, likewise, captured by the "Old Empire" force. Because this particular officer was a high powered IS-BE, compared to most, he was taken away to a secret "Old Empire" base under the surface of the planet Mars. They put him into a special electronic prison cell and held him there.

Fortunately, this Domain officer was able to escape from the underground base after 27 years in captivity. When he escaped from the "Old Empire" base, he returned immediately to his own base in the asteroid belt. His commanding officer ordered that a battle cruiser be dispatched 83 (Footnote) to the coordinates of the base provided by this officer and to destroy that base completely. This "Old Empire" base was located a few hundred miles north of the equator on Mars in the Cydonia region. 84 (Footnote)

Although the military base of the "Old Empire" was destroyed, unfortunately, much of the vast machinery of the IS-BE force screens, the electroshock / amnesia / hypnosis machinery continues to function in other undiscovered locations right up to the present moment. The main base or control center for this "mind control prison" 85 (Footnote) operation has never been found. So, the influences of this base, or bases, are still in effect.

The Domain has observed that since the "Old Empire" space forces were destroyed there is no one left to actively prevent other planetary systems from bringing their own "untouchable" IS-BEs to Earth from all over this galaxy, and from other galaxies nearby. Therefore, Earth has become a universal dumping ground for this
entire region of space.

This, in part, explains the very unusual mix of races, cultures, languages, moral codes, religious and political influences among the IS-BE population on Earth. The number and variety of heterogeneous societies on Earth are extremely unusual on a normal

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planet. Most "Sun Type 12, Class 7" planets are inhabited by only one humanoid body type or race, if any.

In addition, most of the ancient civilizations of Earth, and many of the events of Earth have been heavily influenced by the hidden, hypnotic operation of the "Old Empire" base. So far, no one has figured out exactly where and how this operation is run, or by whom because it is so heavily protected by screens and traps.

Furthermore, there has been no operation undertaken to seek out, discover and destroy the vast and ancient network of electronics machinery that create the IS-BE force screens at this end of the galaxy. Until this has been done, we are not able to prevent or interrupt the electric shock operation, hypnosis and remote thought control 86 (Footnote) of the "Old Empire" prison planet.

Of course all of the crew members of The Domain Expeditionary Force now remain aware of this phenomena at all times while operating in this solar system space so as to prevent detection and the capture by "Old Empire" traps."

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Chapter Eight
A Lesson In Recent History
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

"This interview taught me a history lesson I will never read in any text book written
on Earth! The Domain has a much different view of events than we do."

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
TOP SECRET

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force
Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 26. 7. 1947, 1st Session

"The Domain Expeditionary Force has observed a resurgence in science and culture of the Western world since 1150 AD when the remaining remnants of the space fleet of the "Old Empire" in this solar system were destroyed. The influence of the remote control 87 (Footnote) hypnosis operation diminished slightly after that time, but still remains largely in force.

Apparently a small amount of damage was done to the "Old Empire" remote mind control 88 (Footnote) operation which resulted in a small decrease in the power of this mechanism. As a result, some memory of technologies that IS-BEs already knew before they came to Earth started to be remembered. Thereafter the oppression of knowledge that is called the "Dark Ages" 89 (Footnote) in Europe began to diminish after that time.

Since then knowledge of the basic laws of physics 90 (Footnote) and electricity 91 (Footnote) have revolutionized Earth culture virtually overnight. The ability to remember technology by many of the geniuses in the IS-BE population of Earth was partially restored, when not so actively suppressed as it was before 1150 AD. Sir Isaac Newton, 92 (Footnote) is one of the best examples of this. In only a few decades he single-handedly reinvented several

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major and fundamental scientific and mathematical disciplines.

The men who "remembered" these sciences already knew them before they were sent to Earth. Ordinarily, no one would ever observe or discover as much about science and mathematics in a single life-time, or even in a few hundred life-times. These subjects have taken civilizations billions and billions of years to create!

IS-BEs on Earth have only just begun to remember small fragments of all the technologies that exist throughout the universe. Theoretically, if the amnesia mechanisms being used against Earth could be broken entirely, IS-BEs would regain all of their memory!

Unfortunately, similar advances have not been seen in the humanities as the IS-BEs of Earth continue to behave very badly toward each other. This behavior, however, is heavily influenced by the "hypnotic commands" given to each IS-BE between lifetimes. 93 (Footnote)

And, the very unusual combination of "inmates" on Earth - criminals, perverts, artists, revolutionaries and geniuses - is the cause of a very restive and tumultuous environment. The purpose of the prison planet is to keep IS-BEs on Earth, forever. Promoting ignorance, superstition, and war between IS-BEs helps to keep the prison population crippled and trapped behind "the wall" of electronic force screens.

IS-BEs have been dumped on Earth from all over the galaxy, adjoining galaxies, and from planetary systems all over the "Old Empire", like Sirius, Aldebaron, the Pleiades, Orion, Draconis, and countless others. There are IS-BEs on Earth from unnamed races, civilizations, cultural backgrounds, and planetary environments. Each of the various IS-BE populations have their own languages, belief systems, moral values, religious beliefs, training and unknown and untold histories.

These IS-BEs are mixed together with earlier inhabitants of Earth who came from another star system more than 400,000 years ago to establish the civilizations of Atlanta 94 (Footnote) and Lemuria 95 (Footnote). Those civilizations vanished beneath the tidal waves caused by a planetary "polar shift", 96 (Footnote) many thousands of years before

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the current "prison" population started to arrive. Apparently, the IS-BEs from those star systems were the source of the original, oriental races of Earth,beginning in Australia.

On the other hand, the civilizations set up on Earth by the "Old Empire" prison system were very different from the civilization of the "Old Empire" itself, which is an electronic space opera, atomic powered conglomeration of earlier civilizations that were conquered with nuclear weapons and colonized by IS-BEs from another galaxy.

The bureaucracy that controlled the former "Old Empire" was from an ancient space opera society, run by a totalitarian 97 (Footnote) confederation of planetarygovernments, regulated by a brutal social, economic, and political hierarchy, 98 (Footnote) with a royal monarch as its figurehead. 99 (Footnote)

This type of government emerges with regularity on planets where the citizens abandon personal responsibility for autonomous, self-regulation. They frequently lose their freedom to demented IS-BEs who suffer from an overwhelming paranoia that every other IS-BE is their enemy who must be controlled or destroyed. Their closest friends and allies, whom they espouse to love and cherish, are literally "loved to death" by them.

Because such IS-BEs exist, The Domain has learned that freedom must be won and maintained through eternal vigilance and the ability to use defensive force to maintain it. As a result, The Domain has already conquered the governing planet of the "Old Empire". The civilization of The Domain, although considerably younger and smaller in size, is already more powerful, better organized, and united by an egalitarian esprit de corps 100 (Footnote) never known in the history of the "Old Empire".

The recently despoiled German totalitarian state on Earth was similar to the "Old Empire", but not nearly as brutal, and about ten thousand times less powerful.Many of the IS-BEs on Earth are here because they are violently opposed to totalitarian government, 101 (Footnote) or because they were so psychotically vicious that they could not be controlled by "Old Empire" government.

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Consequently, the population of Earth is disproportionately comprised of a very high percentage of such beings. The conflicting cultural and ethical moral codes of the IS-BEs on Earth is unusual in the extreme.

The Domain conquest of the central "Old Empire" planets was fought with electronic cannon. 102 (Footnote) The citizens of the planets forming the core of government for the "Old Empire" are a filthy, degraded, slave society of mindless, tax-paying workers, who practice cannibalism. Violent automotive race tracks and bloody, Roman circus type entertainments are their only amusements.

Regardless of any reasonable justification we may have had for using atomic weapons to vanquish the planets of the "Old Empire", The Domain is careful not to ruin the resources of those planets by using weapons of crude, radioactive force.

The government of the "Old Empire", before being supplanted by The Domain, was comprised of beings who possessed a very craven intelligence, very much like theAxis powers 103 (Footnote) during your recent world war. Those beings manifested precisely the same behavior as the galactic government that exiled them to eternalimprisonment on Earth. They were a gruesome reminder of the ageless maxim that an IS-BE will often manifest the treatment they have received from others. Kindnessfosters kindness. Cruelty begets cruelty. One must be able and willing to use force, tempered with intelligence, to prevent harm to the innocent. However, extraordinary understanding, self-discipline and courage are required to effectively prevent brutality, without being overwhelmed by the malice that motivated the brutality.

Only a demonic, self-serving government would employ a "logic" or "science" to conceive that an "ultimate solution" to any problem is to murder and permanentlyerase the memory of every artist, genius, skilled manager, and inventor, and cast them into a planetary prison together with political opponents, killers, thieves, perverts, and disabled beings of an entire galaxy!

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Once the IS-BEs expelled from the "Old Empire" arrived on Earth, they were given amnesia, and hypnotically tricked into thinking that something else had happened to them. The next step was to implant the IS-BEs into biological bodies on Earth. The bodies became the human populations of "false civilizations" which were designed and installed in the minds of IS-BEs to look completely unlike the "Old Empire".

All of the IS-BEs of India, Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, and Medieval Europe were guided to pattern and build the cultural elements of these societies based on standard patterns developed by the IS-BEs of many earlier, similar civilizations on "Sun Type 12, Class 7"planets that have existed for trillions of years
throughout the universe.

In the earliest times the IS-BEs sent to prison Earth lived in India. They gradually spread into Mesopotamia, Egypt, Mesoamerica, Achaea, Greece, Rome, Medieval Europe, and to the New World. They were hypnotically "commanded" to follow the pattern of a given civilization by the "Old Empire" prison operators. This is an effective mechanism to disguise the actual time and location from the IS-BEs imprisoned on Earth. The languages, costumes and culture of each false
civilization are intended to reinforce amnesia because they do not remind the IS-BEs on Earth of the original"Old Empire" planets from which they were deported.

On the very far back-track of time these types of civilizations tended to repeat themselves over and over because the IS-BEs who created them become familiar with certain patterns and styles, and stayed with them. It is a lot of work to invent an entire civilization, complete with culture, architecture, language, customs,
mathematics, moral values, and so forth. It is much easier to replicate a copy based on a familiar and successful pattern.


A "Sun Type 12, Class 7" planet is the designation given to a planet inhabited by carbon-oxygen based life forms. The class of the planet is based on the size and radiation intensity of the star, the distance of the planetary orbit from the star, and the size, density, gravity, and chemical composition of the planet.
Likewise, flora and fauna are designated and identified

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ALIEN INTERVIEW Part 3, pages 41-55

ALIEN INTERVIEW

Based On Personal Notes and Interview Transcriptions Provided by : Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy

Editing and Supplemental Footnotes by:
Lawrence R. Spencer ( Author of "The Oz Factors" ) pages 41-55

ANSWER -INTENTIONS ARE CLEAR. SEE IN YOUR MIND / IMAGES /FEELINGS.
QUESTION - If you are not a biological entity, why do you refer to yourself as feminine?
ANSWER -I AM A CREATOR. MOTHER. SOURCE."

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

"These questions took me only a few minutes to complete. I realized then that we may be in for some serious trouble if the alien was not willing to cooperate, or reveal any information that the military or intelligence agencies or scientists considered to be useful to them.

I was also sure that the alien was very certain of the actual intentions of the people who wrote these questions, as she could "read their minds" just as easily as she could read my thoughts and communicate with me telepathically. Because of these intentions, she was unwilling and unable to cooperate with any of them in any way, under any circumstances. I am equally sure that since she was not a biological life form, that there was no kind of torture or coercion that would change her mind!"

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Chapter Four
The Language Barrier 

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE) 

"After I explained what I thought were the reasons for the "no answer" answer to the intelligence agents, there was a great deal of upset and turmoil. A very heated discussion took place between some of the intelligence officers, militaryofficials, psychologist and the language interpreters. This lasted for several hours. It was finally decided that I should be allowed to continue to interviewthe alien, provided I could get a satisfactory answer from her to the following question:"

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)

TOP SECRET

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force

Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group

SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 11. 7. 1947, 3rd Session

"QUESTION - "What assurance or proof do you require from us that will make you feel safe enough to answer our questions."
ANSWER - ONLY SHE SPEAKS. ONLY SHE HEARS. ONLY SHE
QUESTIONS. NO OTHERS. MUST LEARN / KNOW / UNDERSTAND."
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)
"When I returned from the interview room to report the alien response to this question I received a grim and skeptical reception from the assembled intelligence agents and military personnel. They could not understand what the alien meant by this.

I admitted that I couldn't really understand what she meant either, but I was doing the best I could to articulate her telepathic intentions. I told the officials that perhaps the communication problem had to do with my inability to understand the telepathic language of the alien clearly enough to be satisfactory.

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I was so discouraged at that point I almost felt like giving up!

And now, there was even more arguments than before! I was sure I was going to be removed from my position, in spite of the fact that the alien refused to communicate with anyone else, or that no one else had been found who could communicate with her.

Fortunately, a very clever fellow named John Newble, who was a Japanese language specialist from the Navy, 38 (Footnote) had an explanation and a solution to the problem. He explained that, first, the problem had very little to do with the inability of the alien to communicate. It had more to do with her unwillingness to communicate with anyone other than myself. Second, in order for any clear, comprehensive communication to happen, both parties needed to understand and communicate through a common language.

Words and symbols in language convey very precise concepts and meanings. He said that the Japanese people have a lot of homonyms 39 (Footnote) in their language which cause a lot of confusion in day to day communication. They solve this problem by using standard Chinese characters 40 (Footnote) to write down the exact meanings of the word they are using. This clears up the matter for them.

Without a defined nomenclature communication was not possible beyond the rudimentary understanding between men and dogs, or between two small children. The lack of a common vocabulary of clearly defined words that all parties can use fluently, was the limiting factor in communication between all people, groups, or nations.

Therefore, he suggested that there were only two choices. I had to learn to speak the language of the alien, or the alien had to learn to speak English. Factually only one choice was possible: that I persuade Airl to learn English, and that I teach it to her with the guidance of the language specialist. No one had any objection to trying this approach, as there were no other suggestions.

The language specialists suggested that I take several children's books, and a basic reading primer, and grammar text with me into the interview room. The plan was that I would sit next to the alien and read aloud to her from the books, while pointing to the text I was reading with my finger so that she could follow along.

The theory was that the alien could eventually be taught to read, just as a child is taught to read by word and sound association with the written word, as well as instruction in fundamental grammar. They also assumed, I think, that if the alien was intelligent enough to communicate with me telepathically, and fly a space craft across the galaxy, that she could probably learn to speak a language as quickly as a 5 year old, or faster!

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I returned to the interview room and proposed this idea to Airl. She did not object to learning the language, although she did not make any commitment to answer questions either. No one else had a better idea, so we went ahead."

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Chapter Five

Reading Lessons

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

"I began the reading lessons with the first pages of a school book that had been used to teach pioneer children in the 1800's on the frontiers of America. It is called "McGuffey's Eclectic Reader, Primer Through Sixth". 41 (Footnote)

Since I am a nurse, and not a teacher, the language expert who gave me the books also gave me an extensive briefing -- a course that took an entire day -- on how to use the books to teach the alien. He said the reason he chose these particular books was because the original 1836 version of these books were used for three-quarters of a century to teach about four-fifths of all American school children how to read. No other books ever had so much influence over American children for so long.

 McGuffey's educational course begins in "The Primer" by presenting the letters of the alphabet to be memorized, in sequence. Children were then taught, step by step, to use the building blocks of the language to form and pronounce words, using the phonics method 42 (Footnote) which involves teaching children to connect sounds with letters. Each lesson begins with a study of words used in the reading exercise and with markings to show the correct pronunciation for each word.

I discovered that the stories in the "First and Second Readers" picture children in their relationship with family members, teachers, friends, and animals. The "Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Readers" expanded on those ideas. One of the stories I remember was "The Widow and the Merchant". It's kind of a morality tale about a
merchant who befriends a widow in need. Later, when the widow proves herself to be honest, the merchant gives her a nice gift. The books do not necessarily teach you to believe that charity is expected only of  wealthy people though. We all know that generosity is a virtue that should be practiced by everyone.

All of the stories were very wholesome and they gave very good explanations to illustrate virtues like honesty, charity, thrift, hard work, courage, patriotism, reverence for God, and respect for parents. Personally, I would recommend this book to anyone!

I also discovered that the vocabulary used in the book was very advanced compared to the relatively limited number of words people use commonly in our modern age. I think we have lost a lot of our own language since our Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence over 200 years ago! As instructed, I sat next to Airl in the interview room reading aloud to her from each successive book in the series of McGuffey's Readers. Each of the books had

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excellent, simple illustrations of the stories and subjects being taught, although they are very outdated by today's standards. Nonetheless, Airl seemed to understand and absorb every letter, sound, syllable and meaning as we progressed. We continued this process for 14 hours a day for 3 consecutive days without interruption, except for a few meals and rest breaks on my part.

Airl did not take breaks for anything. She did not sleep. Instead she remained sitting in the overstuffed chair in the interview room, reviewing the lessons we had already covered. When I returned each morning to begin where we'd left off, she had already memorized the previous lessons and was well into the next pages. This pattern continued to accelerate until it became pointless for me to continue reading to her.

Although Airl did not have a mouth to speak with, she was now able to "think" at me in English. At the end of these lessons, Airl was able to read and study by herself. I showed her how to use a dictionary to look up new words she encountered. Airl consulted the dictionary continually after that. From then on my job was acting as a courier for her, requesting that reference books be brought to her in a steady stream.

Next, Mr. Newble brought in a set of the Encyclopedia Britannica. 43 (Footnote) Airl especially enjoyed this because it had a lot of pictures. After that, she requested many more picture books and reference books with photographs and drawings because it was much easier to understand the meaning if she could see a picture of the thing she was studying.

Over the next six days books were brought in from libraries all over the country, I presume, because it wasn't more than a few more days before she had read through several hundred of them! She studied every subject I could imagine, and many other very technical things I never wanted to know anything about, like astronomy,
metallurgy, engineering, mathematics, various technical manuals, and so forth.

Later she began to read fiction books, novels, poetry and the classics of literature. Airl also asked to read a great many books on subjects in the humanities, especially history. I think she must have read at least 50 books about human history and archaeology. Of course, I made sure that she received a copy of the Holy Bible also, which she read from cover to cover without comment or questions.

Although I continued to stay with Airl for 12 to 14 hours each day, most of that time during the following week had been spent without much communication between us, except for an occasional question she asked me. The questions were usually meant to give her a sense of context or to clarify something in the books she was reading. Oddly, Airl told me that her favorite books are "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" 44 (Footnote), "Don Quixote de la Mancha" 45 (Footnote) and "One Thousand and One Nights" 46 (Footnote). She said the authors of these stories showed that it is more important to have great spirit and imagination than great skill or power.

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I could not answer a lot of her questions, so I consulted with the people in the outer room for answers. Most of these had to do with technical and scientific things. A few of her questions were about the humanities. The depth of complex understanding and subtlety of her questions showed that she had a very penetrating
intellect. Personally, I think she had already known a lot more about the culture and history of Earth than she was willing to admit when we started. I would soon discover how much more."

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Chapter Six

My Education Begins

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE) 

"By the 15th day after "rescuing" Airl from the crash site, I was able to communicate fluidly and effortlessly with her in English. She had absorbed so much written material by this time that her academic education far exceeded my own. Although I graduated from high school in Los Angeles in 1940 and attended college for four years of premedical and nursing training, the variety of my own reading had been fairly limited.

I had not studied most of the subjects to which Airl had now been exposed, especially considering her acute understanding, very intense study habits and a nearly photographic memory! She was able to recall long passages from books she read. She was especially fond of sections of her favorite stories from classic literature like The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn 47 (Footnote), tales from Gulliver's Travels 48 (Footnote) and Peter Pan 49 (Footnote) and The Legend of Sleepy Hollow 50 (Footnote).

By this time Airl had become the teacher, and I was the student. I was about to learn what men of Earth do not know and have no way of knowing!

The throng of scientists and agents who observed us through the one-way glass 51 (Footnote) of our interview room, whom Airl and I now referred to as "the gallery", were growing increasingly impatient to ask her questions. But Airl continued to refuse to allow any questions to be asked of her by anyone other than myself, even vicariously through me as an interpreter, or in writing.

On the afternoon of the 16th day Airl and I sat next to each other as she read. She closed the last page of a book she was reading and placed it aside. I was about to hand her the next book from a large pile waiting to be read, when she turned and said or "thought" to me, "I am ready to speak now". At first I was a little  confused by the remark. I gestured for her to continue and she began to teach me my first lesson."

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)

TOP SECRET

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force

Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group

SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 24. 7. 1947, 1st Session

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"What would you like to say, Airl?", I asked.

"I have been a part of the Domain Expeditionary Force in this sector of space for several thousand years. However, I have not personally had intimate contact with beings on Earth since 5,965 BCE. It is not my primary function to interact with inhabitants of planets within The Domain. I am an Officer, Pilot and Engineer, with many duties to perform. Nonetheless, although I am fluent in 347 other languages within The Domain, I have not been exposed to your English language.

The last Earth language with which I was conversant was the Sanskrit language of the Vedic Hymns. 52 (Footnote) At that time I was a member of a mission sent to investigate the loss of a Domain base located in  the Himalaya Mountains. An entire battalion of officers, pilots, communications and administrative personnel
disappeared and the base destroyed.

Several million years ago I was trained and served as an Investigation, Data Evaluation and Program Development Officer for The Domain. Because I was experienced in that technology, I was sent to Earth as part of the search team. One of my duties involved interrogation of the human population that inhabited the adjoining area at that time. 53 (Footnote) Many of the people in that region reported sighting "vimanas" or space craft in the area. 54(Footnote)

Following the logical extension of evidence, testimony, observation, as well as the absence of certain evidence, I led my team to the discovery that there were still "Old Empire" ships and well-hidden "Old Empire" installations in this solar system of which we had been completely unaware.

You and I were unable to communicate in your language because I, personally, have not been exposed to your language. However, now that I have scanned the books and material you provided me this data has been relayed to our space station in this region and processed by our communications officer through our computers. It has been translated into my own language and relayed back to me in a context that I can think with. I have also received additional information from the files stored in

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our computers about the English language and Domain records concerning Earth civilization." 55 (Footnote)

"Now I am prepared to give you certain information that I feel will be of great value to you. I will tell you the truth. Although truth is relative to all other truth, I wish to share with you as honestly and accurately as possible, truth as I see it, within the boundaries of my integrity to myself, to my race and
without violating my obligations to the organization I serve and have sworn to uphold and protect".

"OK", I thought. "Will you answer questions from the gallery now?"
"No. I will not answer questions. I will provide information to you that I think will be beneficial to the well-being of the immortal spiritual beings who comprise humanity, and that will foster the survival of all the myriad life forms and the environment of Earth, as it is a part of my mission to ensure the preservation
of Earth.

"Personally, it is my conviction that all sentient beings are immortal spiritual beings. This includes human beings. For the sake of accuracy and simplicity I will use a made-up word: "IS-BE". Because the primary nature of an immortal being is that they live in a timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their existence is that they decide to "be".

No matter how lowly their station in a society, every IS-BE deserves the respect and treatment that I myself would like to receive from others. Each person on Earth continues to be an IS-BE whether they are aware of the fact or not."

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)
(I will never forget this conversation. Her tone was very matter-of-fact and emotionless. However, for the first time, I sensed the presence of a warm and real "personality" in Airl. Her reference to "immortal spiritual beings" struck me like a flash of light in a dark room. I had never before considered that a human being
could be an immortal being. I thought that status or power was reserved solely for The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. And, because I am a devout Catholic and subject to the word of The

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Lord Jesus, and The Holy Father, I have never thought of a woman as an immortal spiritual being either -- not even the Holy Mother Mary. Yet, when Airl thought that thought, I became vividly aware for the very first time that she, personally, was an immortal spiritual being, and so are we all!

Airl said that she sensed that I was confused about the idea. She said she would demonstrate to me that I am also an immortal spiritual being. She said, "Be above your body!" Immediately, I realized that I was "outside" of my body, looking down from the ceiling at the top of my body's head! 56 (Footnote) I was also able to see the room around me, including Airl's body sitting in the chair next to my own body.

After a moment, I realized the simple, but shocking, reality, that "I" am not a body. In that moment a black veil lifted and for the first time in my life, and for a very long time into the past, I realized that I am not "my soul", but that "I" am "me" -- a spiritual being. This was an unexplainable epiphany, but one that fills me with a joy and relief I cannot recall having experienced ever before. As for the "immortal" part, I do not understand her meaning, as I have always been taught that I am not immortal -- a spirit, perhaps -- but certainly not immortal!

After a moment -- I'm not sure how long -- Airl asked me if I had a better understanding of the idea. Suddenly, I was back inside my body again, and said out loud, "Yes! I see what you mean!".

I was so taken aback by the experience that I had to get up from my chair and walk around the room for a few minutes. I made an excuse that I needed to get a drink of water, and go to the restroom, which I did. In the restroom I looked at my "self" in the mirror. I used the toilet, refreshed my make-up, and straightened my uniform. After 10 or 15 minutes I felt more "normal" again and returned to the interview room.

After that I felt as though I was no longer just an interpreter for Airl. I felt as though I was a "kindred spirit". I felt like I was safe, at home, with a trusted friend or family member, as close as any I have ever had. Airl sensed and understood my confusion about the concept of "personal immortality". She began her first "lesson" with me by explaining this to me."

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW CONTINUED)

"Airl told me her reasons for coming to Earth and for being in the area of the 509th Bomber Squadron. 57 (Footnote)She was sent by her superior officers to investigate the explosions of nuclear weapons which have been tested in New Mexico. 58 (Footnote) Her superiors ordered her to gather information from the atmosphere that could be used to determine the extent of radiation 59 (Footnote) and potential
harm this might cause to the environment. During her

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mission, the space craft was struck by a lighting 60 (Footnote), which caused her to lose control and crash.

The space craft is operated by IS-BEs who use "doll bodies" in much the same way that an actor wears a mask and costume. It is a like a mechanical tool through which to operate in the physical world. She, as well as all of the other IS-BEs of the officer class and their superiors, inhabit these "doll bodies" when they are on duty in space. When they are not on duty, they "leave" the body and operate, think, communicate, travel, and exist without the use of a body.

The bodies are constructed of synthetic materials, including a very sensitive electrical nervous system, to which each IS-BE adjusts themselves or "tune in" to an electronic wavelength 61 (Footnote) that is matched uniquely to the wavelength or frequency emitted by each IS-BE. Each IS-BE is capable of creating a unique wave frequency which identifies them, much like a radio signal frequency. This serves, in part, as identification like a finger print. The doll body acts like a radio receiver for the IS-BE. No two frequencies or doll bodies are exactly the same.

The bodies of each IS-BE crew member are likewise tuned into and connected to the "nervous system" built into the space craft. The space craft is built in much the same way as the doll body. It is adjusted specifically to the frequency of each IS-BE crew member. Therefore, the craft can be operated by the "thoughts" or energy emitted by the IS-BE. It is really a very simple, direct control system. So, there are no complicated controls or navigation equipment on board the space craft. They operate as an extension of the IS-BE.

When the lightning bolt struck the space craft this caused a short circuit and consequently "disconnected" them from the control of the ship momentarily which resulted in the crash. Airl was, and still is, an officer, pilot and engineer in an expeditionary force which is part of a space opera 62 (Footnote) civilization which refers to itself as "The Domain". This civilization controls a vast number of galaxies, stars, planets, moons and asteroids throughout an area of space that is approximately one-fourth of the

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entire physical universe! The continuing mission of her organization is to Secure, control and expand the territory and resources of The Domain".

Airl pointed out that their own activities were very similar in many ways to the European explorers who "discovered" and "claimed" the New World for The Holy Father, The Pope 63 (Footnote) and for the kings of Spain, Portugal and later, Holland, England, France and so forth. Europe benefited from the property "acquired" from the native inhabitants. However, the native inhabitants were never consulted with or asked for their permission to become a part of the "domain" of European nations and the soldiers and priests they sent to acquire territory and wealth in order to advance their interests.

Airl said she read in a history book that the Spanish king regretted the brutal treatment of the native inhabitants by his soldiers. He feared retribution fromthe gods he worshipped, as described in the various testaments of the Bible. He asked the Pope to prepare a statement called "The Requirement" 64 (Footnote) which was supposed to be read to each of the newly encountered native inhabitants.

The king hoped that the statement, whether it was accepted or rejected by the natives, would absolve the King of all responsibility for the resulting slaughterand enslavement of these people. He used this statement as justification to confiscate their lands and possessions by his soldiers and the Pope's priests. Apparently, the Pope, personally, did not have any feelings of guilt or responsibility in the matter.

Airl thought that such actions were those of a coward and that it is no surprise that the territory of Spain was diminished so quickly. Only a few years later theking was dead and his empire had been assimilated by other nations.

Airl said that this sort of behavior does not occur in The Domain. Their leaders assume full responsibility for the actions of The Domain, and would not denigratethemselves in this fashion. Nor do they fear any gods or have any regret for their actions. This idea

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reinforces my earlier suggestion that Airl and her people are probably atheists.

In the case of the acquisition of Earth by The Domain, the rulers of The Domain have chosen not to openly reveal this intention to the "native inhabitants" ofEarth until a later time when it may, or may not, suit their interests to reveal themselves. For the present time, it is not strategically necessary to make the presence of The Domain Expeditionary Force known to Mankind. In fact, until now, it has been very aggressively hidden, for reasons that will be revealed later.

The asteroid belt near Earth is a very small, but important location for The Domain in this part of space. Actually, some of the objects in our solar system are very valuable for use as low-gravity "space stations". They are interested primarily in the low gravity satellites in this solar system which consists mainly of the side of the moon facing away from Earth 65 (Footnote) and the asteroid belt, which was a planet that was destroyed billions of years ago, and to a lesser degree, Mars and Venus. Doom structures synthesized from gypsum 66 (Footnote)or underground bases covered by electromagnetic force screens 67 (Footnote) are easily constructed to house the Domain forces.

Once an area of space is acquired by The Domain and becomes a part of the territory under its control, it is treated as the "property" of The Domain. The space station near the planet Earth is important only because it lay along a path of The Domain expansion route toward the center of the Milky Way galaxy and beyond. Of course, everyone in The Domain is aware of this -- except for the people of Earth."

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ALIEN INTERVIEW Part 2, pages 22-40

ALIEN INTERVIEW
Based On Personal Notes and Interview Transcriptions Provided by : Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy

Editing and Supplemental Footnotes by:
Lawrence R. Spencer ( Author of "The Oz Factors" ) pages 23-40

In so doing, you could "disavow any knowledge" of their true origin, and claim that it is a fictitious work of your imagination. Whoever said that "truth is stranger than fiction" was "right as rain". For most people all of this will be "unbelievable". Unfortunately, beliefs are not a reliable criteria for reality.

Also, I am sure that if you were to show these notes to anyone that would prefer physical, economic or spiritual slavery over freedom, the subject matter contained in them would seem quite objectionable. If you attempted to publish the documents as a matter of factual reporting in a newspaper or on the evening TV news they would be rejected out of hand as the work of a kook. The very nature of these documents make them unbelievable, and therefore discreditable. Conversely, the release of this information is potentially catastrophic for certain political, religious and economic vested interests.

These documents contain information which is quite relevant to your interest and investigations into alien encounters and paranormal experience. To use your analogy in "The Oz Factors" book, I can honestly say that the few factual reports that have been made by others about "alien" influences are only a gentle breeze
in the eye of an Apocalyptic Hurricane swirling around Earth. There really are wizards and wicked witches and flying monkeys in this universe!

This information, which has been suspected and/or peculated upon by so many for so long, has been constantly denied by mainstream media, academia, and the Military-Industrial Complex 12 (Footnote) that President Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address.

As you know in July, 1947, the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) 13 (Footnote) issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed "flying disc" from a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico, sparking intense media interest. 14 (Footnote)

Later the same day, the Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force 15 (Footnote) stated that Major Jesse Marcel, who as involved with the original recovery of the debris, had recovered only the tattered remnants of a weather

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balloon. The true facts of the incident have been suppressed by the United States government since then.

You may not know that I was enlisted in the U.S. Women's Army Air Force(WAC) 16 (Footnote) Medical Corp which was a part of the US Army back then. I was assigned to the 509th Bomb Group as a Flight Nurse 17 (Footnote)at the time of the incident.

When the news that there had been a crash was received at the base, I was asked to accompany Mr. Cavitt, the Counter Intelligence Officer, 18 (Footnote) to the crash site as the driver of his vehicle, and to render any needed emergency medical assistance to any survivors, if necessary. 19 (Footnote) Therefore, I briefly witnessed the wreckage of an alien space craft, as well as the remains of the several alien personnel aboard the craft who were already dead.

When we arrived I learned that one of the personnel on board the craft had survived the crash, and was conscious, and apparently uninjured. The conscious alien was similar in appearance, but not the same as, the others. 20 (Footnote)

None of the other personnel present could communicate with the survivor, as the being did not communicate verbally or by any recognizable signs. However, while I examined the "patient" for injuries I immediately detected and understood that the alien being was attempting to communicate with me by "mental images", or
"telepathic thought", 21 (Footnote) which projected directly from the mind of the being.

I immediately reported this phenomenon to Mr. Cavitt. As no other person present could perceive these thoughts, and the alien seemed able and willing to communicate with me, it was decided, after a brief consultation with a senior officer, that I would accompany the surviving alien back to the base.

This was partly due to the fact that I was a nurse, and could attend to the physical needs of the alien, as well as serve as a non-threatening communicator and companion. After all, I was the only woman at the site and the only one who was not armed. I was thereafter assigned permanently to serve as a "companion" of the alien at all times. 22 (Footnote)

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My duty was to communicate with and interview the alien and to make a complete report of all that I discovered to command authorities. Subsequently, I was supplied with specific lists of questions provided to me by military and non-military personnel, which I was to "interpret" for the alien, and record the responses to the questions provided.

I also accompanied the alien at all times during medical testing and the many other examinations to which the alien was subjected by staff from numerous government agencies.

I was given a promotion in rank to Senior Master Sergeant to improve my security rating, and to increase my pay grade from $54.00 a month to $138.00 a month, for this very unusual assignment. I performed these duties from July 7th through August,1947,at which time the alien "died" or departed the "body", as you will read about in my notes.

Although I was never left entirely alone with the alien, as there were always military personnel, intelligence agency people and a variety of other officials present from time to time, I did have uninterrupted access to and communication with the alien being for nearly six weeks.

Hereinafter is an overview and summary of my personal recollections of "conversations" with the alien craft pilot, whom I came to know by the identity of "Airl".

I feel that it is my duty at this time, in the best interest of the citizens of Earth, to reveal what I have learned from my interaction with "Airl" during those six weeks, on the anniversary of her "death" or departure sixty years ago.

Although I served as a nurse in the Army Air Force, I am not a pilot or technician. Further, I did not have any direct contact with the space craft or other materials recovered from the crash site at that time, or thereafter. To that degree it must be taken into consideration that my understanding of the
communications I had with " Airl" are based on my own subjective ability to interpret the meaning of the thoughts and mental images I was able to perceive.

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Our communication did not consist of "spoken language", in the conventional sense. Indeed, the "body" of the alien had no "mouth" through which to speak. Our communication was by telepathy. At first, I could not understand Airl very clearly. I could perceive images, emotions and impressions, but it was difficult for me to express these verbally. Once Airl learned the English language, she was able to focus her thoughts more precisely using symbols and meanings of words I could understand. Learning the English language was done as a favor to me. It was more for my own benefit than hers.

By the end of our interview sessions, and increasingly since then, I have become more comfortable with telepathic communication. I have become more adept at understanding Airl's thoughts as though they are my own. Somehow, her thoughts become my thoughts. Her emotions are my emotions. However, this is limited by her willingness and intention to share her own, personal universe with me. She is able to be selective about what communication I am allowed to receive from her. Likewise, her experience, training, education, relationships and purposes are uniquely her own.

The Domain is a race or civilization of which Airl, the alien I interviewed, is an officer, pilot and engineer serving in The Domain Expeditionary Force. The symbol represents the origin and unlimited boundary of the known universe, united and integrated into a vast civilization under the control of The Domain.

Airl is currently stationed at a base in the asteroid belt which she refers to as a "space station" in the solar system of Earth. First and foremost, Airl is herself. Secondarily, she voluntarily serves as an Officer, Pilot and Engineer in The Domain Expeditionary Force. In that capacity she has duties and
responsibilities, but she is at leave to come and go as she pleases also.

Please accept this material and make it known to as many people as possible. I repeat that it is not my intention to endanger your life with the possession of  this material, nor do I really expect you to believe any of it either. However, I do sense that you can appreciate the value that such knowledge may have to

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those who are willing and able to face the reality of it.

Mankind needs to know the answers to questions which are contained in these documents. Who are we? Where did we come from? What is our purpose on Earth? Is Mankind alone in the universe? If there is intelligent life elsewhere why have they not contacted us?

It is vital that people understand the devastating consequences to our spiritual and physical survival if we fail to take effective action to undo the long-standing and pervasive effects of alien intervention on Earth.

Perhaps the information in these documents will serve as a stepping stone to a better future for Mankind. I hope that you can be more clever, creative and courageous in the distribution of this information than I have been.

May The Gods Bless You and Keep You.
Mrs. Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Senior Master Sergeant
Women's Army Air Force Medical Corp, Retired
100 Troytown Heights
Navan, Meath
Co. Meath, Ireland

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Chapter One

My First Interview With The Alien
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

"By the time the alien had been returned to the base I had already spent several hours with her. As I mentioned, Mr. Cavitt told me to stay with the alien, since I was the only person among us who could understand her communication. I could not understand my ability to "communicate" with the being. I had never before that time experienced telepathic communication with anyone.

The non-verbal communication I experienced was like the understanding you might have when a child or a dog is trying to get you to understand something, but much, much more direct and powerful! Even though there were no "words" spoken, or signs made, the intention of the thoughts were unmistakable to me. I realized later that, although I received the thought, I did not necessarily interpret its meaning exactly.

I think that the alien being was not willing to discuss technical matters, due to the nature of her position as an officer and pilot with the duty to maintain the security and confidentiality required by her own "unit" or organization. Any soldier who is captured by the "enemy" in the line of duty has a responsibility to withhold vital information, even in the face of interrogation or torture, of course.

But, in spite of that, I have always felt that the alien being was not really trying to hide anything from me. I just never got that feeling. Her communication always seemed honest and sincere to me. But, I suppose you can never know for sure. I definitely feel that I shared a unique "bond" with the alien. It was a kind of "trust" or empathy that you have with a patient, or a child. I think this is because the alien could understand that I was really interested in "her" and had no harmful intention, nor would I allow any harm to come to her, if I could prevent it. This was true too.

I refer to the alien as "her". Actually, the being was not sexual in any way, either physiologically or psychologically. "She" did have a rather strong, feminine presence and demeanor. However, in terms of physiology, the being was "asexual" and had no internal or external reproductive organs. Her body was more like the body of a "doll" or "robot". There were no internal "organs", as the body was not constructed of biological cells. It did have a kind of "circuit" system or electrical nervous system that ran throughout the body, but I could not understand how it worked.

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In stature and appearance the body was quite short and petite. About 40 inches tall. The head was disproportionately large, relative to arms, legs and torso, which where thin. There were three "fingers" on each of two" hands" and "feet" which were somewhat prehensile. 23 (Footnote) The head had no operational "nose" or "mouth" or "ears". I understood that a space officer does not need these as space has no atmosphere to conduct sound. Therefore, sound related sensory organs are not built into the body. Nor does the body need to consume food, hence, the absence of a mouth.

The eyes were quite large. I was never able to determine the exact degree of visual acuity of which the eyes were capable, but I observed that her sense of sight must have been extremely acute. I think the lenses of the eyes, which were very dark and opaque, may also have been able to detect waves or particles beyond the visual spectrum of light. 24 (Footnote) I suspect that this may have included the full range of the electromagnetic spectrum, 25 (Footnote) or more, but I do not know this for sure.

When the being looked at me her gaze seemed to penetrate right through me, as though she had "x-ray vision". 26 (Footnote) I found this a little embarrassing, at first, until I realized that she had no sexual intentions. In fact, I don't think she ever even had the thought that I was male or female.

It became very obvious after a short time with the being that her body did not require oxygen, food or water or any other external source of nutrition or energy. As I learned later, this being supplied her own "energy", which animated and operated the body. It seemed a little bit eerie at first, but I got used to the idea. It's really a very, very simple body. There is not much to it, compared to our own bodies.

Airl explained to me that it was not mechanical, like a robot, nor was it biological. It is animated directly by her as a spiritual being. Technically, from a medical standpoint, I would say that Airl's body could not even be called "alive". Her "doll" body is not a biological life form, 27 (Footnote) with cells, and so forth.

It had a smooth skin, or covering which was gray in color. The body was highly tolerant to changes in temperature, atmospheric conditions, and pressure. The limbs were quite frail, without musculature. In space there is no gravity, 28 (Footnote) so very little muscle strength is needed. The body was used almost entirely on space craft or in low, or no-gravity environments. Since Earth has a heavy gravity, the body was not able to walk around very well as the legs were not really suited to that purpose. The feet and hands were quite flexible and agile however.

Overnight, before my first interview with the alien, the area had been transformed into a buzzing hive of activity. There were a dozen men working on setting up lights and camera equipment. A motion picture camera and microphone and a tape recorder were also set up in the "interview room". (I don't understand why a microphone was needed, since there was no verbal communication possible with the

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alien.) There was also a stenographer 29 (Footnote) and several people busily typing on typewriters.

I was informed that an expert foreign language interpreter and a "code breaking" team had been flown to the base during the night to assist with my efforts to communicate with the alien. There were also several medical personnel -- specialists in various fields -- to examine the alien. And, a professor of psychology was there to help formulate questions and "interpret" the answers. As I was just a nurse, I was not considered to be a "qualified" interpreter, even though I was the only one there who could understand anything the alien was thinking!

There were many subsequent conversations between us. Each "interview" resulted in an exponential increase in understanding between us, as I will discuss later on in my notes. This is the first transcript with the answers to a list of questions provided to me by the intelligence officer at the base which I debriefed to the stenographer immediately following the interview."

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)

TOP SECRET

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force
Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 9. 7. 1947

"QUESTION - "Are you injured?"
ANSWER - NO
QUESTION - "What medical assistance do you require?"
ANSWER - NONE
QUESTION - "Do need food or water or other sustenance?"
ANSWER - NO

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QUESTION - "Do you have any special environmental needs, such as air temperature, atmospheric chemical
content, air pressure, or waste elimination?"
ANSWER - NO. I AM NOT A BIOLOGICAL BEING.
QUESTION - "Does your body or space craft carry any germs or contamination that may be harmful to humans or other Earth life forms?"
ANSWER - NO GERMS IN SPACE.
QUESTION - "Does your government know you are here?"
ANSWER - NOT AT THIS TIME
QUESTION - "Are others of your kind going to come looking for you?"
ANSWER - YES
QUESTION - "What is the weapons capability of your people?"
ANSWER - VERY DESTRUCTIVE.
I did not understand the exact nature of the kind of arms or weapons that they might have, but I did not
feel that there was any malevolent intention in her reply, just a statement of fact.
QUESTION - "Why did your space craft crash?"
ANSWER - IT WAS STRUCK BY AN ELECTRICAL DISCHARGE FROM THE
ATMOSPHERE WHICH CAUSED US TO LOSE CONTROL.

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QUESTION - "Why was your space craft in this area?"
ANSWER - INVESTIGATION OF "BURNING CLOUDS" / RADIATION / EXPLOSIONS 30 (Footnote)
QUESTION - "How does your space craft fly?"
ANSWER - IT IS CONTROLLED THROUGH "MIND". RESPONDS TO "THOUGHT COMMANDS".
"Mind" or "thought command" are the only English language words I can think of to describe the thought. Their bodies, and I think, the space craft, are connected directly to them through some kind of electrical "nervous system" that they control with their own thoughts.
QUESTION - "How do your people communicate with each other?"
ANSWER - THROUGH MIND /THOUGHT.
The words "mind" and "thought" combined together are the closest English language words I can think of to describe the idea at this time. However, it was very obvious to me that they communicate directly from the
mind, just as she is communicating with me.
QUESTION - "Do you have a written language or symbols for communication?"
ANSWER - YES
QUESTION - "What planet are you from?"
ANSWER - THE HOME / BIRTHPLACE WORLD OF THE DOMAIN

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Since I am not an astronomer, I have no way of thinking in terms of stars, galaxies, constellations and directions in space. The impression I received was of a planet in the center of a huge cluster of galaxies that is to her like "home", or "birthplace". The word "domain" is the closest word I can think of
to describe her concept, images and thoughts about where she is from. It could as easily be called the "territory" or the "realm". However, I am sure that it was not just a planet or a solar system or a cluster of stars, but an enormous number of galaxies!

QUESTION - "Will your government send representatives to meet with our leaders?"
ANSWER - NO
QUESTION - "What are your intentions concerning Earth?"
ANSWER - PRESERVE / PROTECT PROPERTY OF THE DOMAIN
QUESTION - "What have you learned about Earth governments and military installations?"
ANSWER - POOR / SMALL. DESTROY PLANET.
QUESTION - "Why haven't your people made your existence known to the people of Earth?"
ANSWER - WATCH / OBSERVE. NO CONTACT.

I got the impression that contact with people on Earth was not permitted, but I could not think of a word or idea that communicated the impression I got exactly. They are just observing us.

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QUESTION - "Have your people visited Earth previously?"
ANSWER - PERIODIC / REPEATING OBSERVATIONS.
QUESTION - "How long have you known about Earth?"
ANSWER - LONG BEFORE HUMANS.

I am not sure if the word "prehistoric" would be more accurate, but it was definitely a very long period of time before human beings evolved.

QUESTION - "What do you know about the history of civilization on Earth?"
ANSWER - SMALL INTEREST / ATTENTION. SMALL TIME.

The answer to this question seemed very vague to me. However, I perceived that her interest in Earth history is not very strong or that she did not pay much attention to it. Or, maybe, ... I don't know. I didn't really get an answer to the question.

QUESTION - "Can you describe your home world to us?"
ANSWER - PLACE OF CIVILIZATION / CULTURE / HISTORY. LARGE PLANET. WEALTH / RESOURCES ALWAYS. ORDER. POWER. KNOWLEDGE / WISDOM. TWO STARS. THREE MOONS.
QUESTION - "What is the state of development of your civilization?"
ANSWER - ANCIENT. TRILLIONS OF YEARS. ALWAYS. ABOVE ALL OTHERS. PLAN. SCHEDULE. PROGRESS. WIN. HIGH GOALS / IDEAS.

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I use the number "trillions" 31 (Footnote) because I am sure that the meaning was a number larger than many billions. The idea of the length of time she communicated is beyond me. It's really closer to the idea of "infinity" in terms of Earth years.

QUESTION - "Do you believe in God?"
ANSWER - WE THINK. IT IS. MAKE IT CONTINUE. ALWAYS.

I am sure that the alien being does not understand the concept of "god" or "worship" as we do. I assume that the people in her civilization were all atheists. My impression was that they think very highly of themselves and are very prideful indeed!

QUESTION - "What type of society do you have?"
ANSWER - ORDER. POWER. FUTURE ALWAYS. CONTROL. GROW.

These are the closest words I could use to describe the idea she had about her own society or civilization. Her "emotion" when communicating her response to this question became very intense, very bright and emphatic! Her thought was filled with an emotion that gave me a feeling of jubilation or joy. But, it made me very nervous also.

QUESTION - "Are there other intelligent life forms besides yourself in the universe?"
ANSWER - EVERYWHERE. WE ARE GREATEST / HIGHEST OF ALL.

Due to her small stature, I am sure that she did not mean "tallest" or "biggest". Again, her prideful "nature" showed through in the feeling I received from her."
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

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"This was the conclusion of the first interview. When the answers to the first list of questions were typed and given to the people who were waiting for them, they were very excited that I was able to get the alien to say anything!

However, after they finished reading my answers they were disappointed that I could not understand more clearly. Now they had a lot of new questions because of the answers I received to the first list of questions.

An officer told me to await further instructions. I waited for several hours in the adjoining office. I was not allowed to continue my "interview" with the alien. However, I was always well treated and allowed to eat and sleep and use the restroom facilities whenever I wanted.

Eventually, a new list of questions was written for me to ask the alien. I gathered that quite a few other agents, government and military officials had arrived at the base by this time. They told me that several other people would be in the room with me during the next interview so they could prompt me to ask for more details during the interview. However, when I attempted to conduct the interview with these people in the room, I received no thoughts, emotions or any other perceptible communication from the alien. Nothing. The alien just sat in a chair without moving.

We all left the interview room. The intelligence agent became very agitated about this. He accused me of lying or making up the answers to the first questions. I insisted that my answers were honest, and as accurate as I could make them!

Later that day, it was decided that several other people would attempt to ask questions of the alien. However, in spite of several attempts by different "experts", no one else was ever able to get any communication at all from the alien.

Over the next several days a psychic research scientist from back East was flown to the base to interview the alien. Her name was Gertrude something or other. I don't recall the last name. 32 (Footnote) On another occasion an Indian clairvoyant named Krishnamurti 33 (Footnote) came to the base to try to
communicate with the alien . Neither one was successful at getting the alien to communicate anything. I was personally not able to communicate telepathically with either of these people either, although I did think that Mr. Krishnamurti was a very kind and intelligent gentleman.

Finally, it was decided that I should be left with the alien by myself to see if I could get any answers."

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Chapter Two
My Second Interview

"In the next interview I was told to ask the alien only one question."
(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force
Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 10. 7. 1947

"QUESTION - "Why have you stopped communicating?"
ANSWER - NO STOP. OTHERS. HIDDEN / COVERED. SECRET FEAR.

The alien can not communicate with them because they were afraid of her, or do not trust her. And, it is clear to me that the alien is very aware that some people have secret intentions toward her and are hiding their real thoughts. It is equally obvious to me that the alien does not have even a tiny bit of fear of us,
or anything else, for that matter!"
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

"I pondered the words I chose to convey the meaning of the aliens thoughts very carefully before reporting to the stenographer and the people who were waiting anxiously in the other room.

Personally, I never suffered any fear or misapprehension about the alien whatsoever. I was very, very curious and excited to learn anything and everything I could about her and from her. However, like the alien, I did not
have much trust or confidence in the agents or "authorities" who were controlling my interviews. I had no idea what their intentions toward her might be. However, I am sure that the military officers were very, very nervous about having an alien space craft and pilot on their hands!

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At that moment, my greatest worry was how to more clearly understand the thoughts and ideas of the alien. I think that I was doing pretty well as a telepathic "receiver", but not as good as telepathic "sender".

I wanted desperately to figure out a better way to communicate with the alien in a way that would enable the growing legion of government officials to understand her more directly, without having to rely on my interpretation of her thoughts. I did not feel very well qualified to act as an interpreter, yet I was the only person with whom the alien would communicate, so it was up to me to get the job done.

I was also becoming acutely aware that this was probably the biggest "news event" in the history of Earth, and that I should be proud to have any part in it. Of course by that time the entire incident had been officially denied in the press and a cover-up of immense proportions by the military and the "powers that be"
34 (Footnote) had already begun.

However, I was beginning to feel the pressure of the responsibility for being the
first person on Earth, as far as I knew, to communicate with an extraterrestrial
life form! I think I know how Columbus 35 (Footnote) must have felt when he
discovered a "new world" the size of a continent on one small planet. But, I was
about to discover an entirely new, unexplored universe! 36 (Footnote)

While I waited for my next instructions from my superiors I went to my quarters, under escort of several heavily armed MPs. Several other men dressed in black suits and ties accompanied me also. They were still there when I got up in the morning. After breakfast, which was brought to me in my own quarters, they escorted me back to the office at the base that was used for the interview."

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Chapter Three
My Third Interview
(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)

"The third interview, and all subsequent interviews that I had with the alien were observed and recorded, as I mentioned above, by dozens of other people. Although they were not physically present, a special room had been constructed with a window of one-way glass through which the interview could be observed from an adjoining room, without intruding on the alien.

The alien had been moved into the newly constructed room and was seated in an ordinary overstuffed living room chair covered with a flowery fabric. I'm sure that someone had been sent into town to buy a chair from the nearest available furniture store. The alien's body was about the same size as a very thin 5 year old child, so she was dwarfed by the chair.

Since her body was not biological it didn't need any food, air or heat, and
apparently, she didn't sleep either. There were no eyelids, or eyebrows above
her eyes, so the eyes didn't close. I don't think anyone could tell whether she was
sleeping or awake as long as she was sitting upright in the chair. Unless she
moved her body or gestured with her hand, it would be hard to tell whether she
was even alive or not, unless you could perceive her thoughts.

Eventually I learned that the alien was not identified by her body, but by her "personality", so to speak. She was known by her fellow aliens as "Airl". This is the closest word I can use to describe the name using the English alphabet. I sensed that she preferred the feminine gender. I think we shared a natural, female empathy and nurturing attitude toward life and each other. I am sure she did not feel comfortable with the combative, aggressive, domineering attitude of the male officers and agents, each of whom was more concerned with their own personal self-importance and power than with discovering the secrets of the universe!

When I entered the room, she was very pleased to see me. I felt a very genuine sense of recognition, relief and a "warm" feeling from her. It was like the eager excitement and unconditional, platonic affection one feels from a dog or child, yet with a calm and reserved control. I must say that I was surprised that I felt the same sort of affection for the alien being, especially since we had spent so little time with each other. I was pleased that I was able to continue my interviews with her in spite of all the attention it was getting from the stream of government and military people arriving at the base.

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It was very obvious that the people who wrote the next series of questions for me wanted to learn how to communicate with the alien themselves, without having to go through me.

Here are the answers to the new list of questions:"

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force
Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 11. 7. 1947

"QUESTION - Can you read or write any Earth languages?
ANSWER - NO.
QUESTION - Do you understand numbers or mathematics?
ANSWER - YES. I AM OFFICER / PILOT / ENGINEER
QUESTION - Can you write or draw symbols or pictures that we may be able to translate into our own
language?
ANSWER - UNCERTAIN
QUESTION - Are there any other signs or means of communication you can use to help us understand your thoughts more clearly?
ANSWER - NO."

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ALIEN INTERVIEW Part 1, pages 1-22

ALIEN INTERVIEW
Based On Personal Notes and Interview Transcriptions Provided by :
Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Editing and Supplemental Footnotes by:
Lawrence R. Spencer
( Author of "The Oz Factors" )

pages 1-22

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Alien Interview
Copyright (c) 2008 by Lawrence R. Spencer.
All Rights Reserved.
Cover and book design by Lawrence R. Spencer
Printed in The United States of America
First Edition Printing: 2008
ISBN: 978-0-6152-0460-4

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Acknowledgements

My sincerest thanks to the enthusiastic, insightful support of Michel and Brenda.
Thank you very much to all of the diligent and unselfish work of the owners, staff and
tireless contributors and editors of Wikipedia.org upon which the
material in this book relies heavily for efficacious documentary support of
many of the footnoted items sited in the text of the transcripts and comments
from Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy.
Disclaimer
As far as the Editor of the book, "Alien Interview" is concerned, and for all practical
purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction. The Editor makes no claim to
the factuality of the content, and in fact, cannot prove that the alleged author
actually ever existed. Although some of the dates, locations, persons and incidents
described may be factual or based on fact, there is no evidence to authenticate that
equally as many may be subjective contrivances of the author.
All of the information, notes and transcripts received by the Editor are contained in
their complete, original form, as represented in the book. The Editor is no longer in
possession of any original documents or copies of original documents from the
author, i.e. Mrs. MacElroy.
Some material contained in the book may have similarities to Earth philosophies as
the variety of these are too numerous to list, and bear too many fundamental
similarities to be easily differentiated. Although the book discusses the origins of the
universe, the time track of the physical universe, paranormal activities of immortal
and/or extraterrestrial beings, "aliens" or "gods", it is in no way the intention of the
Editor to represent, endorse, forward or assume the viewpoint of the author, any
political doctrine, economic vested interest, scientific hypothesis, religious practice
or philosophy, whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial.
The notes and transcripts contained in the book, are solely and only based on the
representations and documents provided by the author, the late Matilda O'Donnell
MacElroy, unless otherwise specifically annotated by Footnotes in The Appendix of
the book.
The Editor is not responsible for any assumptions, inferences or conclusions made
by the reader based on the material is this book, which are solely and only the
responsibility of the reader.
What is true for you, is true for you.
Lawrence R. Spencer -- Editor

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Table Of Contents

ALIEN INTERVIEW........................................................................................................... 2
FOREWORD:....................................................................................................................... 5
PREAMBLE.......................................................................................................................... 6
DEDICATION ....................................................................................................................... 7
EDITORIAL GUIDELINES USED IN THIS BOOK........................................................ 8
DEFINITIONS...................................................................................................................... 9
INTRODUCTION:.............................................................................................................. 10
THE MYSTERY OF UFOS AND EXTRATERRESTRIALS ........................................ 10
ABOUT THE SOURCE OF MATERIAL IN THIS BOOK............................................ 13
MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY ........................................................................ 16
BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION................................................................................. 16
THE LETTER FROM MRS. MACELROY..................................................................... 19
CHAPTER ONE - MY FIRST INTERVIEW WITH THE ALIEN ............................... 27
CHAPTER TWO - MY SECOND INTERVIEW............................................................. 36
CHAPTER THREE - MY THIRD INTERVIEW............................................................ 38
CHAPTER FOUR - THE LANGUAGE BARRIER ........................................................ 42
CHAPTER FIVE - READING LESSONS ........................................................................ 45
CHAPTER SIX - MY EDUCATION BEGINS............................................................... 48
CHAPTER SEVEN - A LESSON IN ANCIENT HISTORY ......................................... 55
CHAPTER EIGHT - A LESSON IN RECENT HISTORY ........................................... 66
CHAPTER NINE - A TIME LINE OF EVENTS............................................................. 79
CHAPTER TEN - A LESSON IN BIOLOGY............................................................... 105
CHAPTER ELEVEN - A LESSON IN SCIENCE ........................................................ 120
CHAPTER TWELVE - A LESSON IN IMMORTALITY........................................... 128
CHAPTER THIRTEEN - A LESSON IN THE FUTURE............................................ 132
CHAPTER FOURTEEN - AIRL REVIEWS THE INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS .. 138
CHAPTER FIFTEEN - MY INTERROGATION.......................................................... 142
CHAPTER SIXTEEN - AIRL DEPARTS ...................................................................... 145
POST SCRIPT FROM MRS. MACELROY................................................................... 147
APPENDIX: EDITOR'S FOOTNOTES............................................................... 153 - 319
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Foreword:
"We ask, as Fools who know not Our Own Spirit:
Where are the hidden traces left by The Gods?"
-- Rig Veda --
book i, stanza 164, lines 5 a & b

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Preamble

What greater brutality can be inflicted on anyone than to erase or
deny the spiritual awareness, identity,
ability, and memory that is the essence of oneself?
-- Lawrence R. Spencer --
2008

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Dedication

This book is dedicated to all Immortal Spiritual Beings, whether they are
aware of themselves as such, or not. It is especially dedicated to the
wisdom, courage and integrity of those Greater Beings, who in various
incarnations at various times during the past, in the present and into the
future, enkindle and carry the Flame of Truth into the darkest corners of the
universe.
This dedication is not only to the philosophical teachings and technologies
developed by these beings, but to the demonstrated and documented
courage to apply their philosophy in the face of overwhelming ignorance,
overt hostility and aggressive suppression by lesser beings and by the selfserving
vested interests of inter-galactic and planetary political, economic,
and religious institutions.
Though relatively few in number, the profound wisdom and heroic
dedication of such beings, and those who share their quest, have been the
only effective deterrent to spiritual slavery. Freedom, Communication,
Creativity ,Trust and Truth for all Immortal Spiritual Beings in this universe
is their legacy. The Good Examples set by them is our sanctuary and
sustenance. Personal, diligent application of their teachings is our weapon
against the dwindling spiral of chaos and oblivion that is the material
universe.
-- Lawrence R. Spencer --

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Editorial Guidelines Used In This Book

I have tried not to edit the material I received from Mrs. MacElroy except to
the degree necessary to make a logical sequence of the material she mailed
to me. Wherever possible I have quoted or transcribed her original written
notes verbatim.
In some instances I have taken editorial liberty to add other information, or
supplementary commentary which I feel will add useful definitions, or
clarification to the information given in the official transcripts, or to her
remarks or observations. These appear as a numbered "(Footnote)" in the
Appendix at the end of the book. All footnote references, where possible,
are copied verbatim from the free internet encyclopedia website
www.wikipedia.org. If information was not available through Wikipedia.org,
I used the popular internet search engine www.google.com to find a website
reference that seemed most appropriate to the subject matter.
Mrs. MacElroy did not make a notation of dates in most of the documents, so
I am not certain that the sequence of material matches the actual sequence
of events, or sequence of the interviews, except as noted on the official
transcripts themselves.
Since it has been 60 years since the date of the interviews, and considering
the age of Mrs. MacElroy before her death, I reasoned that she did not
necessarily have an acute recollection of exact names, dates and times,
except as recorded in the transcripts of July 8th through August 12th, 1947.
The material in this book is organized into three different types. The
following notations will be used to designate where these appear in this book:
1) (MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTES)
(TYPE FONT: Times Roman, 12 point)
2) (OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
(Courier New, 12 point)
3) 1 (Footnote)
(TYPE FONT: Arial, 10 point, Bold)
-- The Editor

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Definitions

Vested Interest:
- a survival or non-survival plan or agenda which has been "clothed" to
make it seem like something other than what it actually is.
- any person, group or entity which prevents or controls
communication to serve their own purposes, (plans or agenda).
- - Refe rence: Page 37 , The Oz Factor s , by Lawrence R. Spence r .
Mystery:
- an enigma or problem involving paradox or apparent contradiction
- profound, inexplicable, or secretive quality or character
-- Reference: www.merriam-webster.com

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Introduction:
The Mystery of UFOs and Extraterrestrials
If you have studied UFO phenomena at all, you are already familiar with the
infamous Orson Welles radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds, And The
Invasion from Mars" 1 (Footnote) on Oct. 30, 1938. This fictitious radio
dramatization of an invasion of Earth by "aliens" incited a global UFO and
extraterrestrial hysteria long before the UFO crash near Roswell, N.M. in
1947.
During the past 60 years, since the alleged Roswell crash, there have been
tens of thousands of reported UFO sightings. A global hysteria has emerged
from "evidence" of what is presumed to be extraterrestrial phenomenon.
Concurrently, the unrelenting denial of this phenomenon by the U.S.
government has precipitated an uninterrupted flurry of accusations, counteraccusations,
cover-up conspiracy theories, lunatic fringe speculations,
"scientific investigations", etc., etc., ad nauseam, and a growing multitude of
similar alleged "close encounters".
My first thought when I received the package of documents from Mrs.
MacElroy was: "This is just another set of Majestic-12 documents".
2 (Footnote) I am referring to a "mysterious package" reportedly received by
mail in 1984 shortly after the death of the last surviving member of the socalled
"Majestic-12" committee, alleged to have been organized by President
Harry Truman shortly after the Roswell incident in 1947.
There are several similarities to the "Majestic-12" documents and the
package I received from Mrs. MacElroy. In the case of the former, an
envelope was sent from an anonymous sender with no return address. It
contained an undeveloped roll of film. That's all. On the roll of film were
photos of documents that were assumed to be authentic by the recipient and
his colleagues whose vested interest, i.e. livelihood, depend heavily on
attracting public notice and credibility to themselves as "leading authorities"
on the subject of UFO phenomena. They have worked relentlessly since
then to discover "proof" that the documents are authentic. Of course,
government agencies deny everything alleged in the documents and
anything having to do with the subject of extraterrestrials in general.
In addition, the subject has become so thoroughly overwhelmed with obvious
false reports, discredited sources, hearsay, manufactured falsehoods,
misunderstandings, missing information, added inapplicable information and
a myriad of other conflicting complexities which have made the subject

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 laughable or unapproachable as a science. This may be intentional, or
simply a reflection of the general chaos and barbarism that is Humanity.

As for government denials and cover-ups, the events of September 11, 2001,
have made it abundantly apparent to me that the U.S. government has
destroyed any vestige of trust the American people and the world may have
harbored, even through the Vietnam war, Watergate, and many similar
betrayals, in the "honesty" of the American government, military and
intelligence community, by blatantly lying to it's own people about almost
anything and everything.

In spite of vast numbers of "UFO sightings", innumerable reports of "alien
abductions", and "close encounters" with extraterrestrials that pervade nearly
all of prehistoric and recorded human history I found only one underlying,
unifying, undisputable, axiomatic common denominator that permeates all of
this data:

Assuming that subjective reality, or beliefs, of individuals is acceptable
evidence, there has been no universally agreed upon "proof" that UFOs and
/ or extraterrestrial life forms exist whether based on government admission ,
physical evidence, circumstantial or subjective data.
There are several deductions I can infer from the lack of agreement,
government admission or physical evidence that such things are real that, if
verified, may lead to a workable solution to this mystery:

deduction:
In spite of an enormous collection of subjective, circumstantial and objective
"evidence" of extraterrestrial activity on and around Earth, the existence,
intentions and the activities of extraterrestrials remain hidden and
mysterious.

deduction:
Universally agreed upon proof of extraterrestrial life based on subjective
data, government admission, physical and circumstantial evidence are
subject to conflicting vested interests, which has made such proof
unattainable.

Collectively, these deductions beg the obvious question:
If extraterrestrials life forms exist, why is there no consistent, forthright ,
open, interactive communication between Mankind and Extraterrestrials?
Fortunately, subjective reality does not require evidence or "proof".
Therefore, I decided to publish this book in order to pass along a subjective
communication I received from Mrs. MacElroy to other people who may be
interested in it.

Fortunately, subjective reality does not require evidence or "proof".
Therefore, I decided to publish this book in order to pass along a subjective
communication I received from Mrs. MacElroy to other people who may be
interested in it.

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 Personally, I am not assuming that anything I received from Mrs. MacElroy is
in any way authentic, with the exception of the envelope and the paper inside
the envelope. I cannot substantiate any of it. Indeed, I can't truly verify that
there was ever such a person as Mrs. MacElroy other than a voice I heard
over the phone in 1998. The voice could have been anyone. Personally, I
do not have a vested interest in UFO research. Yes, I've written a few books
about immortal spiritual beings -- because I'm interested in the subject. But I
haven't sold enough of those books to pay for the time it took to write them.
It is a hobby. I earn my living as a small business consultant.
It is not my intention to justify, explain, or remedy any disability to perceive or
understand the mysteries of extraterrestrial existence, UFOs, governments
agendas or spiritual abilities. Nor is it intended to educate, persuade, or
promote to anyone that any of these phenomena exist. Furthermore, what I
may or may not think about any of this is irrelevant.
Moreover, I have burned all of the original documents, including the envelope
I received from Mrs. MacElroy. I do not want to spend the rest of my life
being hounded by UFO researchers, government agents, grocery store
tabloids reporters, UFO advocates and de-bunkers alike, or anyone else.
Any "proofs" or attempts to authenticate the assertion that Mrs. MacElroy
actually interviewed an alien in 1947 will have to be done by others.
Ripley says, "Believe It, or Not". 3 (Footnote)
I say, "What's true for you, is true for you".
Lawrence R. Spencer
Editor

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 About The Source Of Material In This Book
The content of this book is primarily excerpted from the letter, interview
transcripts and personal notes I received from the late Matilda O'Donnell
MacElroy. Her letter to me asserts that this material is based on her
recollection of communication with an alien being, who "spoke" with her
telepathically. During July and August of 1947 she interviewed an
extraterrestrial being who she identifies as "Airl", and whom she claims was
and continues to be an officer, pilot and engineer who was recovered from a
flying saucer that crashed near Roswell, New Mexico on July 8th, 1947.
Obviously, anyone reading anything about this most famous, or infamous, of
all "flying saucer" or "alien encounter" events must necessarily be highly
suspicious regarding 1) the authenticity of the report and 2) the credibility of
the source of information, especially when it appears for the first time sixty
years after the alleged event!
I received the aforementioned letter from Mrs. MacElroy on September 14th,
2007, together with a package of documents. The package contained three
types of documents:
1) handwritten notes in cursive on ordinary, lined, 8 1/2" X 11"school
notebook paper, which I assume had been written personally by Mrs.
MacElroy.
2) notes typed on a manual typewriter on plain, white 20 lb. bond paper,
which I am assume were prepared personally by her. At least both had the
appearance of having been written in the same handwriting, and / or typed
on the same typewriter consistently throughout. The writing in the notes I
received also appeared to be the same as the writing on the address and
return address of the manila envelope I received from Navan, Ireland, which
was postmarked on 3 September, 2007. Since I am not a forensic expert, or
handwriting analyst, my opinion in these matter is not a professionally
qualified judgment.
3) many pages of typewritten transcriptions of her interview with the alien.
These were obviously typed on a different typewriter. These pages were
typed on a different type of paper and showed apparent signs of age and
repeated handling.
None of these notes were assembled in any particular order, or by date,
except where indicated by a sentence or paragraph of preamble or
explanation by her, or by extrapolation from the context of the pages.

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Voltaire 4 (Footnote) is quoted as having said: "History is a Mississippi of lies".
According to the comments made by the alien in the interview transcripts
supplied by Mrs. MacElroy, the fundamental lesson of history is that many,
many gods have become men, but very few men, if any, have returned to
being a god again.
According to the alien being -- "Airl" -- if anything he / she / it supposedly
communicated can be trusted -- and if the "translation" or interpretation of
this alleged communication is accurate, the history of this universe is a "River
of Lies" down which the might and freedom of all-powerful, god-like, immortal
spiritual beings ended and was lost in a Sea of Matter and Mortality.
Furthermore, according to the very direct and undiplomatic statements made
-- which seem to express the "personal opinion" of the alien -- if one were
traveling the far reaches of the universe in search of a place called "Hell", it
would be an accurate description of Earth and the inhabitants in its current
condition.
To further compound, complicate and magnify the "incredible" source of the
"interview transcriptions" I received from Mrs. MacElroy is the fact that they
are:
1) based almost entirely on "telepathic communication" between the alien
and Mrs. MacElroy.
2) many of these interviews discuss "paranormal" activities of "immortal
spiritual beings".
Of course, most "scientific authorities" are unwilling to acknowledge or
perceive spiritual phenomena of any kind.
The dictionary definition of the word paranormal is:
adjective:
1. cannot be explained by scientific methods
2. supernatural, or seemingly outside "normal" sensory channels
By definition, people who use the word "paranormal" are 1) not able to
explain spiritual phenomena and 2) spiritual phenomena are outside of their
normal sensory channels.
In short, scientists suffer from the inability and/or unwillingness to
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spiritual activities or spiritual universes in this book are expected to be
understood only by those who can and will perceive such things.
According to the time spans related by the alien in several of the interviews,
there are a number of compelling and heretofore unknown reasons that
suggest the possibility that many extraordinary miscalculations have been
made by Earth scientists regarding the origins and antiquity of the universe,
Earth, life forms and events. Of course, these may or may not be accurate
either, as time and its ugly step-child, history, are largely subjective.
However, it can be observed that, by contrast with interstellar or
"macrocosmic time", the historical perspective of residents of Earth is limited
to a relatively microscopic period of time, compared to what are considered
to be "recent events" in the chronology of a space travel civilization, much
less the entire time span of the universe.
The geological record of Earth is reckoned, by the best guesses of scientists,
to be only about 4 billion years. The antiquity of homo sapiens in the
archaeology textbooks is estimated at only a few million years, at most. Even
the entire biological spectrum is considered to have existed on this planet for
only a few hundred million years. And, by and large, the personal memory of
individual beings on this planet is limited to only one lifetime.
All other dates, events, or interpretations of events cited in this book are from
terrestrial sources, which are purely subjective observations, conjectures, or
inventions of human beings, including those of the author, and must
therefore be credited or disregarded by the reader accordingly, considering
the penchant of Earth inhabitants to myopia, egocentricity, and general
ignorance of the several universes in which we dwell.
This book is intended to be an informal presentation of information provided
to me, sixty years after the fact, of a series of interviews between an alien
space craft officer, pilot & engineer and an Army Air Force surgical nurse.

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Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Biographical Information
Since I have never met Mrs. MacElroy in person, and spoke with her over the
phone only once for about 20 minutes, I can not vouch personally for her as
a credible source of information. In fact, I cannot factually substantiate that
such a person actually existed, accept that I did speak with her on the phone
and I received handwritten material in the mail which was sent from a
physical address in Ireland.
I spoke to her on the phone in 1998. At the time of our brief phone interview,
Mrs. MacElroy lived on Scotty Pride Drive in Glasgow, Montana. I know this
because I mailed a copy of my book, The Oz Factors, to her as a gift after it
was published in 1999. I am sure she received the book, because she refers
to it by name in the letter I received from Ireland, and says that she read it.
I did a little research on the internet about Glasgow, Montana for my own
interest. Glasgow was founded in 1887 as a railroad town that became
popular during the 1930s because President FDR requested that Fort Peck
Dam be constructed there which became a huge source of employment for
the Glasgow area. In the 1960s the population flourished up to 12,000
because of Glasgow Air Force Base (SAC), which was used during the
Vietnam conflict and the earlier part of the 'Cold War'. The base was
deactivated and closed in 1969.
When I talked to Mrs. MacElroy on the phone she mentioned that she had
been relocated there by the U.S. Air Force after her service was completed,
and that's where she met her husband, who was an engineer. I don't think
she mentioned his first name. However, he worked on building the Fort Peck
Dam, which created the massive Fort Peck Lake. Although the dam was
finished in 1940, he was a great fisherman and outdoorsman, so he stayed in
the area. I gathered that the Irish heritage of the place had something to do
with it, but didn't pursue that point with her. I haven't been able to find any
record of a "MacElroy" who worked at the dam, but the personnel records
from that period are virtually non-existent as far as I can determine.
I contacted her during my research for The Oz Factors book because I was
led to believe, through a very circuitous line of investigation, that this woman
was suspected of having been involved with alien contact at Area 51, or the
Roswell crash site, or something similar.

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Through a sequence of circumstantial inferences and accidental referrals, I
actually found a number in the phone book and called just on the chance that
there might really be such a person.
Needless to say, when I called her she was less than forthcoming in her
response to my questions. However, I think she was impressed by my
genuine and innocent sincerity to get information for my book, and realized
that I had no nefarious or financially motivated purposes or reason to exploit
her in any way. Nonetheless, she did not give me any useful information at
that time, except to say that she had been in the Army and was stationed in
New Mexico in 1947.
She could not discuss anything whatsoever about any kind of incident, as her
life depended on remaining silent. Although this piqued my interest even
more, it was futile to try to push her any further, so I gave up and forgot about
her until last September, when I got the package from Ireland.
I tried to contact her in Ireland at the return address on the package, but
received no reply from her, nor have I been able to find anyone in Meath
County, Ireland who was acquainted with either of them except the landlady
from whom they rented a room for a few weeks before their deaths, which
seemed to have occurred simultaneously, although I have no real evidence
of this.
However, the post mark of the envelope she sent to me was stamped at the
post office in Navan, Co. Meath, Ireland on the date cited above. Since there
is an actual residence (according to Google Maps) at the return address
shown on the envelope, I wrote to the address and was advised by the home
owner that both Mrs. MacElroy and her husband, whose name turns out to
have been "Paul", were both recently deceased. She said that the cremated
remains of Mrs. MacElroy and her husband were interred at Saint Finian
Cemetery on Athboy Road.
Subsequently, I have not been able to find any record of her under the
maiden name of O'Donnell, nor have I had any success at discovering any
personal friend, family member or document to confirm her birth, medical
education, or military record, marriage or death, with the exception of her
landlady in Ireland (who is not a relative) just before her death. I suspect that
this is the false identity given to her by the military when she left Roswell, as
mentioned in her notes.
In either case, it seems likely that her identity and all evidence of her has
been expunged from the public record. I understand that certain government
agencies are adept at covering up evidence, or making records (and people)
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highly sensitive nature of the Roswell incident and consistent with the rest of
the alleged "cover up".
Inasmuch as I do not have any further information to verify or substantiate
that any of the notes of these "interviews" sent to me by Mrs. MacElroy are in
any way factual, other than what I have already mentioned, let the reader
beware, and take heed accordingly!

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The Letter from Mrs. MacElroy

August 12, 2007
Dear Lawrence,
I am typing this letter to you on my old Underwood typewriter 5 (Footnote) that I bought after I was discharged from the Army. Somehow it seems like a fitting contrast to the subject of this letter and the documents you will find enclosed in this envelope.
The last time I spoke to you was about eight years ago. During your brief telephone interview with me you asked me to assist you with the research for "The Oz Factors" book you were writing because you suspected that I might know something that would help your investigation into the possibility that extraterrestrial beings may have influenced the history of Earth. When we spoke, I told you that I did not have any information that I could share with you about anything. Since then I have read your book and found it very
interesting and compelling. You are obviously a man who has done his homework, and who could understand my own experiences. I've been thinking a lot about your allusion to the old philosopher whom you paraphrased in our phone conversation: "with great power, comes great responsibility". Although I don't think power is pertinent in my life or to my reasons for sending you the enclosed documents, you certainly did get me thinking about my responsibility.
I have reconsidered my position, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is my realization that
you were right. I do have a responsibility to myself, at least. I can not possibly tell you the personal Hell 6
(Footnote) of ethical irresolution and spiritual ambivalence I have endured since 1947. I do not want to keep playing the game of "maybe I should have, or maybe I shouldn't have", through the rest of Eternity!

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Many men have been killed to extinguish the possibility of revealing the knowledge I have helped to withhold
from society, until now. Only a small handful of people on Earth have seen and heard what I have had the burden of keeping secret for sixty years. All those years I thought that I had been entrusted with a great deal of confidence by the "powers that be" in our government, although I have often felt that power is greatly
misguided, to "protect" Mankind from the certain knowledge that, not only do intelligent extraterrestrial
life forms exist, but that they have and continue to aggressively monitor and invade the lives of everyone on
Earth every day.
Therefore, I think the time has come to pass along my secret knowledge to someone I think will understand it. I don't think it would be responsible of me to take the knowledge I have into the silent afterlife, beyond reach or recognition. I think there is a greater good to be served than protecting the "vested interests" for whom this information is considered a matter of "national security", whatever that means, and is therefore
justification for making it "TOP SECRET". 7 (Footnote)
Also, I am now 83 years old. I have decided to leave this body, which has outlasted its usefulness to me,
using a painless method of self-administered euthanasia. 8 (Footnote) I have a very few months to live, and nothing to fear or lose.
So, I have moved away from Montana, where my husband and I lived for most of my life, to spend our remaining days in a lovely rented upstairs bedroom in a house in the homeland of my husband's family in County Meath, Ireland. 9 (Footnote) 

I will die not far from "The Great Mound" at Knowth 10 (Footnote) and Dowth, the "Fairy Mound of Darkness". These are sacred "cairns" or massive stone structures that were erected about 3,700 BCE and engraved with indecipherable hieroglyphs -- about the same time as pyramids and other inexplicable stone monuments were being built all over the Earth. I am also not far from "The Hill of Tara", 11 (Footnote) that
was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland where 142 kings are said to have reigned in prehistoric and

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historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology this was the sacred place of dwelling for the "gods" and
was the entrance to the "other world". 

Saint Patrick came to Tara to conquer the ancient religion of the pagans. He may have suppressed the religious practices in the area, but he certainly did not have any impact on the "gods" who brought these
civilizations to Earth, as you will discover when you read the documents enclosed. Therefore, this is a
fitting location for my departure from this unholy world and final release from the burdens of this life.

The crystal clear perspective of hindsight has revealed a higher purpose to me: assisting the survival of the
planet, all living beings and life forms in our galaxy!

The status quo of our government establishment has been to "protect the people" from knowledge of such matters. In fact, the only protection afforded by ignorance and secrecy is to hide the private agenda of those in power to enslave others. And, by doing so, to disarm every perceived enemy, and ally, through superstition and stupidity.

Therefore, I have enclosed the original and only existing copies of my personal notes and reflections on
a matter which I have kept hidden from everyone, even my own family. I have also enclosed my copies of typed transcripts created by the stenographer who transcribed all of my interviews with the alien saucer pilot after each interview was finished. I do not have any copies of the tape recordings that were made of my interview reports. No one, until now, knows that I was able to secretly retain copies of the official interview
transcripts.

Now I am entrusting these documents to your discretion to impart to the world in any form or manner you see fit. My only request is that you do so in a way that will not threaten your own life or well being, if
possible. If you were to incorporate these notes of my experiences into a work of fiction, such as a novel, the
factual nature of the material could be easily dismissed or discredited by any agency for whom "national
security" is used as a personal shield against scrutiny and justice.

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In so doing, you could "disavow any knowledge" of their true origin, and claim that it is a fictitious work of
your imagination. Whoever said that "truth is stranger than fiction" was "right as rain". For most people all
of this will be "unbelievable". Unfortunately, beliefs are not a reliable criteria for reality.

Also, I am sure that if you were to show these notes to anyone that would prefer physical, economic or spiritual slavery over freedom, the subject matter contained in them would seem quite objectionable. If you attempted to publish the documents as a matter of factual reporting in a newspaper or on the evening TV news they would be rejected out of hand as the work of a kook. The very nature of these documents make them unbelievable, and therefore discreditable. Conversely, the release of this information is potentially
catastrophic for certain political, religious and economic vested interests.

These documents contain information which is quite relevant to your interest and investigations into alien
encounters and paranormal experience. To use your analogy in "The Oz Factors" book, I can honestly say
that the few factual reports that have been made by others about "alien" influences are only a gentle breeze
in the eye of an Apocalyptic Hurricane swirling around Earth. There really are wizards and wicked witches and flying monkeys in this universe!

This information, which has been suspected and/or speculated upon by so many for so long, has been
constantly denied by mainstream media, academia, and the Military-Industrial Complex 12 (Footnote) that President Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address.

As you know in July, 1947, the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) 13 (Footnote) issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed "flying disc" from a ranch near
Roswell, New Mexico, sparking intense media interest. 14 (Footnote)

Later the same day, the Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force 15 (Footnote) stated that Major Jesse Marcel, who was involved with the original recovery of the debris, had recovered only the tattered remnants of a weather

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